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Hard Talk with Tiger Biologist, Dr Kae Kawanishi on Covid-19 Lessons

Dr Kae Kawanishi delivering keynote speech at ‘Save the Malayan Tiger’ fundraising dinner organised by Cicada Tree Eco-Place on 27 Sep 2014 at Hortpark, Singapore. (Learn more about our campaign and fundraiser to Save the Malayan Tiger)

Interview by Cicada Tree Eco-Place

We hear from Dr Kae Kawanishi (Tiger Biologist, General Manager and Head of Conservation, MYCAT) on takeaway lessons from the ongoing Covid-19 global pandemic crisis and human impact on wild nature:

Q: What is your take on life in the time of COVID-19?

Dr Kae: “We live in an extraordinary time in human history where major events on a global scale seem to not only accelerate in frequency but also grow in scale and impacts. COVID-19 is one of them but there will be other zoonotic diseases as interfaces/interactions between humans and wild spaces/wildlife increase. This global pandemic is a once or twice in a lifetime stress-test for people, companies, and nations.”

Q: What do you think brought this about, and how do you think we will fare in this crisis?

Dr Kae: “In my opinion, much of human suffering in general is brought about by the inequality of wealth, inefficient distribution of resources, and weak governance. This in turn, usually has huge implications on wild nature. This weakness in our society came to light in this stress-test. I don’t think that COVID-19 has changed the fundamental flaws in the current capitalism or consumerism, but the pandemic has shaken everyone and I am optimistic about the resilience of nature and humans’ ability to learn to be better or cope with the stress.”

Q: What do you think are some of the lessons we could learn from Covid-19?

“I hope one of the takeaway lessons is about humility. Humans are not that special, and our lives too are at the mercy of forces beyond our control. Growing up in Japan, I was constantly reminded of our relative insignificance by the sometimes violent nature of our planet. Over the millennia, the forces of nature, be they earthquakes, landslides or tsunamis, and beautiful and bountiful blessings of the seas and mountains have shaped Japanese’ psyche.”

Q: How do you think this unprecedented event will impact our future survival and the survival of wildlife including the Malayan Tiger?

Dr Kae: “The extreme weather patterns, severity and frequencies of mega natural disasters, and the loss of biodiversity are all inter-connected. In its geological history, the earth has seen much more violent episodes of these beyond our imagination. Mass-extinction happened five times in the past and we are in the midst of the 6th mass-extinction. The 6th is unique in our perspective because we are the cause, but to the earth, every one of them is a unique event. The tiger may go soon because it competes with humans for the need for large forests. But COVID-19 reminds us that we are not that special. The human may be one of 1 million species expected to be gone if we don’t learn to promote co-existence.

The iconic Malayan Tiger (Panthera tigris jacksoni) is a sub-species unique only to the Malay Peninsula and used to roam the rainforests of Singapore. It is now locally extinct. In Peninsular Malaysia, more than 300 tigers were tragically lost in the last decade. There is no crisis greater than tiger extinction in Malaysia’s nature conservation history.
If urgent action is not taken to save this critically endangered species, the last 200 wild Malayan Tigers will be gone forever. Photo: MYCAT

Q:  What do you think is needed to save nature and thereby save ourselves?

Dr Kae: “The frequencies and scale of the mega global events getting closer and bigger indicate that there isn’t much time left to start making significant changes. I do know that change is happening, but not fast and big enough because world leaders are often sidetracked with other agendas that usually promote competition instead.”

Q: What lesson can you share about human dependence on nature and our treatment of nature?

Dr Kae: “The second important lesson may be about our essential needs. Knowing what it is that we can live without help simplifies our lives. The Japanese phrase taruoshiru means ‘to know one has enough’ or ‘to be content with what one has’. I learned about life’s essentials during my field research. In a very practical sense, this was because I could only carry 15kg on my back. That’s all I had in the forest for weeks. But beyond the daily maintenance needs, the fieldwork in the wilderness distilled my life needs to a very few essentials, and the wild nature was one of them. I’ve had countless moments of communion with her and still do. She does not teach anything. She just is.”


The Malayan Tiger (Panthera tigris jacksoni) is a sub-species unique only to the Malay Peninsula and used to roam the rainforests of Singapore. Tragically, Malayan Tigers have been hunted to the verge of extinction and now number less than 200 in the jungles of Peninsular Malaysia.

Save the Malayan Tiger – CAT Walks 2020

Due to Covid-19, all CAT Walks are currently on hold till further notice. To find out more about CAT Walks and to support MYCAT, please visit the this link: https://www.citizenactionfortigers.my/

Thank you, take care and stay safe,
Cicada Tree Eco-Place

Bats and Covid-19: Should we be afraid?

The novel coronavirus outbreak has been attributed to bats, which are host to a whole diversity of viruses. But bats are not at fault, and neither should we be afraid of these magnificent flying mammals.

In fact, scientists say that animal pathogens like viruses and bacteria are spread because of humans. The New York Times reports:

We invade tropical forests and other wild landscapes, which harbor so many species of animals and plants — and within those creatures, so many unknown viruses. We cut the trees; we kill the animals or cage them and send them to markets. We disrupt ecosystems, and we shake viruses loose from their natural hosts. When that happens, they need a new host. Often, we are it.

We Made the Coronavirus Epidemic, DaviD QUAMMEN, NEW YORK TIMES, 28 January 2020

Singapore’s bats in the news

Watch an interview on Channel 8 on Singapore’s resident bats and Covid-19, featuring Andrew Tay, Dr George Jacobs and Dr Leong Tzi Ming. Statements in English.

Read more and watch the interview: https://www.8world.com/news/singapore/article/covid-19-bat-tours-1053046


不少研究将2019冠状病毒的来源指向蝙蝠,但不影响自然爱好者寻找蝙蝠的踪迹。受访专家表示,蝙蝠不会把病毒直接传播给人类。

晚上7点之后就会有蝙蝠出没。一群大自然爱好者星期六晚上相约到铁道走廊,寻找蝙蝠的踪迹。

徒步活动发起人乔治表示:“蝙蝠吃很多昆虫,蝙蝠也为植物传播花粉,所以我们需要蝙蝠。我们要公众了解和欣赏蝙蝠,我们想呈现的是, 冠状病毒会出现,不是蝙蝠的错。”

一名参与者表示:“没有证据显示蝙蝠和冠状病毒的关系,所以何必担心走进森林。”

另一名参与者说:“如果我们没有侵犯它们的话,我想他们应该也不会特地来打扰我们。”

领团的是本地非营利环保组织,它们从十多年前开始,每年会办两、三场的蝙蝠之旅。

非营利环保组织负责人郑德利说:“我们保持距离,我们不要太接近,毕竟它们都是野生动物。我们只想要观察他们,研究它们,只要政府允许 ,我们会继续这样的户外徒步活动。”

(Cicada Tree Eco-Place conducts two to three bat walks each year and has been doing so for the last decade.) We keep our distance (as) we don’t want to be close (to bats). These are all wild animals. We just want to observe them, study them. As long as the government permits it, we will continue with the outdoor nature walks.

Andrew Tay, CO-FOUNDER at Cicada Tree Eco-Place

我国有20多种蝙蝠的种类,大多数生活在森林和公园区,一般可以出现在棕榈树和香蕉树上。而像身后的这棵香蕉树,卷叶里头就可能有蝙蝠。

蝙蝠研究员梁智敏教授表示:“国人可能会有点过度小心,觉得如果看到蝙蝠,或者很靠近它, 甚至站在它下方,就会感染某种病毒,但事实不是这样。因为即使蝙蝠可能有很多病毒,但他们需要一个中介,才能传播病毒给人类 。”

研究蝙蝠约20年的梁智敏教授认为,即使不小心接触到蝙蝠的粪便,一般情况也不会导致细菌感染。

更多相关消息,请点击《2019冠状病毒》专题报道。

Through nature reserve or around? Residents, nature groups stick to guns on Cross Island Line paths – TODAY, 3 Sep 2019

“We are totally not for the Cross Island Line to go through the Central Catchment Nature Reserve… It is a remnant fragment of an ancient rainforest with its incredible biodiversity. That’s something so priceless and invaluable that you can’t put a price on.”

Andrew Tay, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEMBER, CICADA TREE ECO-PLACE

The country’s first large-scale aerial park will be in Bukit Timah – Zaobao, 1 Sep 2019

然环境教育组织“知了树自然生态(Cicada Tree Eco-Place)主席赵琴音认为,空中公园将能吸引更多人接近大自然,也有助提升公众保育环境的意识。

她说:“空中公园附近的铁道走廊是不少濒危动物长期以来的栖息地,空中公园能为访客带来便利,吸引他们去探索这些周边的自然步道

Translation – “Environmental education NGO, Cicada Tree Eco-Place’s president and co-founder, Zhao Qin Yin (Teresa Teo Guttensohn) opined that the sky park would encourage more members of the public to interact with nature and raise their awareness of conservation.

She said: “The sky park is adjacent to the Rail Corridor, which is an important long term habitat for our endangered wildlife. The elevated linear park will also bring greater convenience to visitors and attract them to explore the surrounding nature trails.”

Zaobao , 1 Sep 2019

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